Sonnets 3 & 10: Halting procreation and Vanity

Now knowing that these are from a man to a man is kinda odd!!! I'm (hoping) assuming that he is just speaking out of contern ffor a really good friend. I read sonnet 3 and 10. In sonnet 3, (I've titled it halting procreation) Shakespeare speaks to his "friend" and it seems he tells him that he's a bad husband basically because he has not even attempted procreation with his wife. he says from the 1st line to the 6th line, "Look in they glass, and tell the face thou viewest/ Now is the time that face should form another,/ Whose fresh repair if now thou not renewest,/ Thou dost begile the world, unbless some mother./ for where is she so fair whose uneared womb/ Disdains the tillage of thy husbandry?" He seems to chastise his friend by saying you are vain, and though you are beautiful and you should consumate the marriage bed that remains cold, you do not and your wifes womb remains barren. then lines 7 through 8 he continues to tell his friend you are foolishly in love with yourself. In line 9 through 14, shakespeare says youwill be beautiful as long as you live but once old age sets in and the wrinkles really start to show your gonna wish you left something behind to carry out your beauty because yours will be gone in one generation but if you procreate your beauty will last for many generations!

Now the next one sonnet 10. In sonnet 10 shakespeare talks about the vanity that his holds within himself. when he says "For shame deny thou bear'st love to any/ Who for thyself art so unprovident:/ Grant, if thou wilt, thou art beloved of many,/ but that thou none lov'st is most evident;/ For thou art possessed with murd'rous hate/ That 'gainst thyself thou stick'st not conspire,/ Seeking that beauteous roof to ruinate/ Which to repair should be thy chief desire." here I believe that he is saying you vanity is causeing a ruination in you household, you should be trying to fix your family and finish your marriage in procreation but rather than do this you thinkonly of yourself. Then throughout the rest of this sonnet he trys to persuede his friend to change his mind about all these things. He begs his friend to change his personality and "be as thy presence is, gracious and kind," then he begs him to think of himself in another light and procreate for love of humankind and even shakespeare himself.

This interpretation truely takes a whole new meaning on when you know that this is from a man to a man. wheither this love is homosexual plee or hetrosexual concern it is both beautiful and sad, Strange and wonderous. This is also prooveing the depth of elizabethian vanity and personality making life a little bit better or worse back then.

Bradley

Shakespeare's concern

I agree that Shakespeare's concern for his friend (or possibly lover; I suppose we'll never really know, but I don't think it's out of the realm of reasonable possibility that Shakespeare had a homosexual relationship with this man who he is obviously a bit obsessed with) is "strange and wonderous". Shakespeare really cares for this man and is even so bold to suggest that he is denying the world of himself by not reproducing. That is a big claim!

As far as whether the man in question is married or not, I was under the impression that he was single and Shakespeare was urging him to marry, but I could be wrong. Does anyone have other lines that show that he may already be married?

-Hilary

no strong indication of marriage

Though some of the language will be taken by use to indicate that the object of the poet's poetry is marred (wish I had an example or two to pull out of my hat) general sense is that there is a need for marriage before procreation here. Bradley

Bradley

??

I realize that there is no actual verse or anything that says the oop is married but when the poet says "For where is she so fair whose uneared womb
Disdains the tillage of thy husbandry?" I guess i just assumed that with the relaxed use of the word husbandry I figured he was married...

Bradley

husbandry

Husbandry here is more just the making of babies, the perpetuating of the species. Think of it in terms of animal husbandry, which is basically what a farmer or rancher would engage in if they raise animals or foodstuffs. Now we call it animal/food science. In that respect, there is no marriage in the process. Bradley

Bradley

I don't think he put a ring on it...

I agree with you on the last four lines of Sonnet 3...Shakespeare is telling the person that your beauty will indeed live on if you have a child to carry on. If you don't have a child, well, your beauty is dead to you and the world when you are gone. But I am no so sure that the person he is speaking to is married. Sonnet 3, line 14 'Die single, and thine image dies with thee.' and Sonnet 9, lines 1 and 2 'Is it for fear to wet a widow's ey/That thou consum'st thyself in single life?' reads as if the person is not married. And through most of the sonnets it seems like Shakespeare is scolding the subject for being selfish in not procreating. Also, it seems to me in Sonnet 3 that Shakespeare is saying that a potential mother (whoever this person should marry and have a child with) will be left childess because of this person's 'self-love' unless he sees that he must procreate to carry on his beauty's legacy. I also agree that Shakespeare's concern is sad. He wrote 20+ sonnets begging and pleading with different approaches to this person in attempts to have his beauty left to a child.

Megan Baeth-Brison

Bradley

what Megan said

That's a pretty good indication he's single. Plus, there's 8:14--"Thou single wilt prove none." Bradley

Bradley

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